Posts by Jules Saturn

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Interesting reaction regarding Jerusalem's destruction

by Jules Saturn in

so i saw this article on yahoo news this past friday .

https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/36618776/archaeological-find-in-jerusalem-proves-bible-passage-true/#page1.

if you watch the video, it's a short 32 second video, the man says how they've found evidence that confirms that jerusalem was destroyed in 586 bc, and it goes along with what is written in the bible.. excerpt from article:.

Jules Saturn

So I saw this article on yahoo news this past Friday

https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/36618776/archaeological-find-in-jerusalem-proves-bible-passage-true/#page1

if you watch the video, it's a short 32 second video, the man says how they've found evidence that confirms that Jerusalem was destroyed in 586 BC, and it goes along with what is written in the Bible.

Excerpt from article:

The book of Jeremiah says, "Now on the seventh day of the fifth month, which was the nineteenth year of King Nebuchadnezzar, king of Babylon, Nebuzaradan the captain of the guard, a servant of the king of Babylon, came to Jerusalem.

"He burned the house of the Lord, the king’s house, and all the houses of Jerusalem; even every great house he burned with fire."

I thought this was interesting so I decided to show my father and I told him "Look, this article says that these findings go along with what is written in the Bible and when Jerusalem was destroyed."

"607?" He asks. And I tell him "No, 586 BC, because it says that Jerusalem was destroyed in the nineteenth year in Nebuchadnezzar's rule and that is written in the Bible."

He just stared at me for a moment and as he walked away said "Yeah, that's in the Bible."

I'm surprised he didn't try defending 607 with it but what I regret not bringing up to him is what the Watchtower says about it. As a matter of fact, last week's mid week meeting spoke about 607 and how it's bible prophecy. I really am focusing on debating with him less.

Thoughts?

~Jules

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Spirit directed vs inspired

by Jules Saturn in

i've always been confused as to what the discrepancy is between the phrases "spirit directed/spirit led" and "inspired".

in the february 2017 watchtower study article, paragraph 12 says:.

12 the governing body is neither inspired nor infallible.

Jules Saturn

I always watch the JW broadcast to see if I pick up things myself and then whenever Lloyd comes out with his rebuttal I watch it and see if I didn't catch anything he brings out

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Spirit directed vs inspired

by Jules Saturn in

i've always been confused as to what the discrepancy is between the phrases "spirit directed/spirit led" and "inspired".

in the february 2017 watchtower study article, paragraph 12 says:.

12 the governing body is neither inspired nor infallible.

Jules Saturn

I hate that whenever you try to explain this to someone, they look at you as if you have the issue

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Spirit directed vs inspired

by Jules Saturn in

i've always been confused as to what the discrepancy is between the phrases "spirit directed/spirit led" and "inspired".

in the february 2017 watchtower study article, paragraph 12 says:.

12 the governing body is neither inspired nor infallible.

Jules Saturn

I've always been confused as to what the discrepancy is between the phrases "spirit directed/spirit led" and "inspired".

In the February 2017 Watchtower Study article, paragraph 12 says:

12 The Governing Body is neither inspired nor infallible. Therefore, it can err in doctrinal matters or in organizational direction. In fact, the Watch Tower Publications Index includes the heading “Beliefs Clarified,” which lists adjustments in our Scriptural understanding since 1870. Of course, Jesus did not tell us that his faithful slave would produce perfect spiritual food. So how can we answer Jesus’ question: “Who really is the faithful and discreet slave?” (Matt. 24:45) What evidence is there that the Governing Body is filling that role? Let us consider the same three factors that directed the governing body in the first century.

So right off the bat, it states that the Governing Body is neither inspired nor infallible.

Definition of inspire

a : to influence, move, or guide by divine or supernatural inspiration

In the July 2017 JW Broadcasting, Tony Morris III says "We are proud to be a part of this spirit directed organization."

So they aren't inspired by spirit but are directed by spirit?

What does the article say again in paragraph 12?

"The Governing Body is neither inspired nor infallible. Therefore it can err in doctrinal matters and organizational direction."

But how is it possible to err in doctrinal matters and organizational direction if it is a spirit directed organization?

Is there a point I am missing?

~Jules

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What religions/organizations aren't a cult?

by Jules Saturn in

so we've already established that most religions can be classified as high control groups, we can name the wbts, church of scientology, lds, etc.

the list goes on and on.

but are there any religions or organizations that aren't classified as a high control group or aren't as bad as the ones i've just mentioned?

Jules Saturn

@scratchme1010

I came to that conclusion analyzing Steven Hassan's BITE model. Now in my honest opinion, I feel like that BITE model can be applied with most Christian religions, but maybe that's just my personal opinion

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How has 2017 treated you so far?

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

jw
friends

i can't wait till 2017 comes to an end.

here are s few things that have happened to my family and i:.

my jehovah's witnesses mom died in the beginning of the year.

Jules Saturn

I'm so sorry about everything you've been through this year, it sounds very tough. I wish you nothing but strength in this time. I hope the rest of your 2017 is better.

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What religions/organizations aren't a cult?

by Jules Saturn in

so we've already established that most religions can be classified as high control groups, we can name the wbts, church of scientology, lds, etc.

the list goes on and on.

but are there any religions or organizations that aren't classified as a high control group or aren't as bad as the ones i've just mentioned?

Jules Saturn

So we've already established that most religions can be classified as high control groups, we can name the WBTS, Church of Scientology, LDS, etc. the list goes on and on. But are there any religions or organizations that aren't classified as a high control group or aren't as bad as the ones I've just mentioned? Are ALL organized religions classified as cults? Would a religion have to lack organization to avoid being classified as a cult?

~Jules

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What are your beliefs now, religious/non religious?

by Jules Saturn in

what are your convictions now that you are no longer one of jehovah's witnesses?

are you a born again christian?

have you joined another denomination of christianity?

Jules Saturn

@eewx2

What happened that made you question atheism?

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What are your beliefs now, religious/non religious?

by Jules Saturn in

what are your convictions now that you are no longer one of jehovah's witnesses?

are you a born again christian?

have you joined another denomination of christianity?

Jules Saturn

What are your convictions now that you are no longer one of Jehovah's Witnesses? Are you a born again Christian? Have you joined another denomination of Christianity? Are you now atheist or agnostic? I ask these questions because of a conversation I had once with my father who said "If none of this is true, then there is no truth." So I thought that his reasoning was pretty interesting, it kind of gave me a little insight as to how a Witness would react to learning TTATT. I've read a lot of experiences of former JWs who lose all faith in God and become atheist or agnostic, and I've also read other experiences of people who have become born again Christians or are practicing another faith. Personally, now that I've learned about the Society, things I never knew when I wasn't "awake", I am unsure of where I stand with my own convictions. And I'm sure this feeling must be normal with anyone who finds out about TTATT. But what made you become an atheist or agnostic or a born again Christian, or even join another denomination or religion? Did you find any questions you had about life finally answered with your new beliefs? Are you on a personal level, happier with your new convictions? Please feel free to share. Thank you.

~Jules

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honesty

by midnight in

regarding the recent 1975 video at the convention it hit me !.

when reasoning with people about the inspiration of the bible we used the bible writers candor ie/ there honesty when recording bible accounts about there personal mistakes .. how come the governing body despite its claims to be spirit directed are not honest about there mistakes ?.

Jules Saturn

@steve2

correction appreciated!